Comments on The Minimalist Sense: REALigion

@nowitzki one could not deny that those actions o...

2011-12-15T03:45:03.976-08:00

@nowitzki

one could not deny that those actions of the pope were true.i'm offering you a chance to see outside the picture but i guess those eyes of yours couldn't view other perspectives to see the whole picture.

--each one to his own.

@aytako ulit: Knowledge that came from a hodge po...

2011-12-13T22:22:42.659-08:00

@aytako ulit:

Knowledge that came from a hodge podge of blogs/beliefs/truths is not wisdom at all. You are merely only picking out what you thought is essential and making a system of belief / religion of your own.

@aytako: Biased citations. Obviously Anti-Cathol...

2011-12-13T22:05:09.663-08:00

@aytako:

Biased citations. Obviously Anti-Catholic. Radical Individualist. I will say no more! Please review your motives. Your views and points are out of the context.

@nowitzki i'm just curious.what do you think ...

2011-12-12T09:21:27.005-08:00

@nowitzki

i'm just curious.what do you think is the moral objectivity in Pope John Paul II bowing before the skull of the Czech Republic's patron saint?

or an Off-bitten toe of Roman Catholic priest to be on exposition?
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/rome/

isn't it told:
But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. -Matthew

why glorify the rotten body?when you can glorify in spirit?
i'm trying to get this to you objectively..

Another is

why would the Pope visit the main voodoo community in Africa and speak not a thing of their sinfulness(http://atacora.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/bbc-news-pope-benedict-xvi-travels-to-benin-home-of-voodoo/)? even welcome their "pagan sacrifices"?

(i am stating his main actions as he is the "vicar of Christ in the world" and the reflection of the RCC)

when it is stated:
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."
-Ephesians

why didn't he say a thing?why did he welcome it? it couldn't be just a simple mistake in actions as it is an action he willingly partook in...

before you start taking out that i am nitpicking on one person only..i would like to introduce to you the possibility of One World Religion side by side with One World Government along with the "Illuminati" in case you haven't heard of it. (http://www.vigilantcitizen.com)

--straying from my point again but it connects.

At dahil dyan, hihirit ako ng huli. We've been...

2011-12-12T01:58:00.344-08:00

At dahil dyan, hihirit ako ng huli. We've been talking a lot about perspectives, and with the recent realization that we seemed to be at both other ends of the spectrum in the 'way of thinking,' perhaps the following links could bridge you at the other end - which is basically 'Catholic Morality is objective.'

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0919.htm

http://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-morality.html

Apir pa rin, Raymond! :)

Haha. Antaray. Raymond ansarap mo kausap :) 1. &q...

2011-12-12T01:47:02.604-08:00

Haha. Antaray. Raymond ansarap mo kausap :)

1. "But it's also worth noting that the bible was written by people who are bound to commit mistakes and be slaves of their desires."

The problem with this statement is that it forgets the basic foundation of Divine Revelation and God's intercession thru human history. What a very dreadful way to put it!

2. You may have presented a view that you thought free from the subjectivity of the Church but I don't quite agree that you have successfully presented it free from YOUR own subjectivity.

3. And that's okay, because as you have said in your basic premise: Morality is subjective.

4. BUT again (and this is going to be the last), it would be good if you would have known that one aspect of Catholic moral teaching that distinguishes it from most other moral systems, whether liberal Protestant or secular humanist, is its emphasis on the objectivity of moral principles.

Waley. Basic foundation pa lang ng Morality, nagkaiba na tayu. No wonder there is no sense in arguing kasi hindi naman talaga level ang field...

1. Probably that's another thing with religion...

2011-12-11T06:13:48.870-08:00

1. Probably that's another thing with religion - it is polar. It's either you believe or you do not believe. If you say otherwise or question parts of it your think is unjust, you risk being condemned. Dont get me wrong but there are teachings that are undoubtfully righteous although some of them are having second thoughts.

2. I wouldn't want to argue on the validity of your claim that it was God who gave the ten commandments. But it's also worth noting that the bible was written by people who are bound to commit mistakes and be slaves of their desires. If the commandments are made not to restrict, why then are they written as "thou shall not...?" Of course that's just a technical viewpoint.

3. Morality is subjective. What may be moral to you may not be moral to others.

4. As my Theology prof said, "A mature christian thinks and discerns". While I may not be the most authoritative source in Catholicism, I try to present a view that is, as much as possible, free from the subjectivity of me and the church where I belong. The article is meant to be a "wish" on what an ideal religion in my perspective would be. As much as possible I try to respect all religions but at times there are things that we try to question to gain a deeper understanding.

Wakok. Ang dami kong sinabi. Pasensya na kung mejo...

2011-12-11T03:44:13.704-08:00

Wakok. Ang dami kong sinabi. Pasensya na kung mejo napahaba.. Apir! Hehe :)

1. no brother, it does not shove its laws on peopl...

2011-12-11T03:26:26.572-08:00

1. no brother, it does not shove its laws on people. kaya nga di ba ang sabi natin, kung ayaw mo, eh di umalis ka at maghanap ng ibang relihiyon. ang hirap lang kasi sa'tin kapag sinasabi nating Katoliko nga tayo, pero hindi naman tayo sumusunod much less nakikinig sa mga sinasabi ng Simbahan. 'Unjust' may have been too much of a term to use but, another point of inquiry, by introspection, have we as a faithful follower bearing this very name truly adhere to its teachings and guidance? :) If not, it would be purely illogical to call yourself as such.

2. The Ten Commandments, fyi, was the law established by God thru Moses in the Old Testament. If you are a true follower, you would've known that it was not just something that was invented and passed on by the Catholic or the whole Christian Church. Rather, it came directly from God who established these for the fullness and fulfillment of the human person. The Laws of God are meant to guide us to our fullness and not to restrict us dahil lang sa gusto nila.

3. By questioning the premise of the Ten Commandments, one is actually questioning the foundation of morality itself and our nature as a human person. Being created in love, it is inculcated in our nature to do good and avoid evil.

Is it not evil to kill or covet our neighbor's wife? Does committing rape and murder help us to bring our life to its fullness? If you can manage to answer the 2 questions above then by logic you might probably have an inkling now why the Church 'shoves its laws on people.'

4. You truly are speaking only of your observations, granted that we are living in a democratic country. But doing so please exercise your full right of the freedom of speech in a responsible and cautious manner.

Again, if you are still bearing the name of your religion, would you not be leading other people of the same faith astray by such commentaries full of disdain? Can you say that you are not looking thru a 'perspective of hate' when you suppose your faith in a very downgrading manner? Are you not making a fool of the Church's culture by stereotyping their practices and beliefs in such a way?

Hehe. Kapatid :) pagnilayan po natin ang mga katanungang ito.

@nowitzki- doesn't it shove its laws on people...

2011-12-11T01:15:34.393-08:00

@nowitzki- doesn't it shove its laws on people? If you dont follow them, you go to hell.Read: 10 Commandments :)

I don't think i am being unfair since I grew up in the roman catholic faith, studying in the catholic univ. of the philippines. I probably have an immature understanding but being unjust is i think a less appropriate term. Im speaking only my observations. :)

@line of light - so religion is disciminating?

btw, is the movie finished already? :)

@Vergil Chua - thanks! First time time to visit right? :)

Ang galing mo magbigay ng insight. :)

2011-12-10T22:55:24.479-08:00

Ang galing mo magbigay ng insight. :)

ito ay sapagkat marami ang tinawag ngunit kakaunti...

2011-12-09T23:38:53.039-08:00

ito ay sapagkat marami ang tinawag ngunit kakaunti ang pinili.

You might check out the meaning of 'radical in...

2011-12-09T22:44:53.664-08:00

You might check out the meaning of 'radical individualism' and 'pragmatism' from a Catholic perspective, bro. I was reading your post again :) hehe, sabi ko parang nandun ang inclinations mo..

You look at the Church kasi as an institution that shoves laws down one's throat... which I think is quite superficial and unfair considering that (I assume) you grew up and was born with this faith.

Do find the REAL meaning in these practices and traditions. If there is one thing you touched in this post that I agree with the most is that devoid of any REAL meaning, these practices, ceremonies and prayers will remain just a pathetic superstition.

In the end, it's still a matter of perspective. may Divine Revelation descend upon your yearning and searching soul :)

apir!

@raymond no prob.:) i was never persecuted. i jus...

2011-12-09T03:16:13.438-08:00

@raymond no prob.:)
i was never persecuted. i just can't stomach the injustice and greed (of money, power &riches) religious people have especially in our country. :)

@raymond @iamrel i am mindblown! we are one in that thinking! :D

@line of light - probably...but it wouldn't hu...

2011-12-08T20:57:55.691-08:00

@line of light - probably...but it wouldn't hurt if religions go closer to what I've posted.

@aytako - grabe sa effort,thank you. :) Much more I realize religions' hypocrisy. How come you have this angst?haha Were you persecuted?lol

@mugen - in a way yes, there are just practices that i think are less sensible so I only pick the ones I believe in, or at least understand.

@iamrel - we are one in that thinking! :)

@nowitzki - proably kasi marami na rin ang nagiisip at mas liberal na ang mga tao ngayon when it comes to religion. Wala nang mga Damaso ngayon. :)

In the first place, a thinking person ay di maniniwala lang ang tao sa hindi nya naiintindihan. So if di nya makita ang perspective nila baka pointless lang para sknya.

@happyvic -I've read that. Natuwa ako dun :)

i remember the book tuesdays with morrie....someth...

2011-12-07T05:59:22.642-08:00

i remember the book tuesdays with morrie....something like, when you dont like the teachings of your religion don't stick with it.

nice post :)

Many truly are seeking for an ideal religion that ...

2011-12-07T05:53:03.149-08:00

Many truly are seeking for an ideal religion that perfectly suits their preferences. But one must question whether if it really is up to their preferences or perhaps they just can't see things from the perspective and vantage point they are looking?

And speaking of perspectives, one must also add to that questioning whether it is ever possible to find something so 'absolute' in an age and environment where every 'truth' is merely considered an 'opinion.'

Sa panahon ngayon ng pluralismo at demokrasya, ang...

2011-12-07T05:23:03.034-08:00

Sa panahon ngayon ng pluralismo at demokrasya, ang mga pinaniniwalaan nating sagrado at banal ay iginagalang na lamang sa ngalan ng opinyon.

Kung hindi gusto ng isang tao ang mga bagay at paniniwala na kinalakihan nya, madali namang tumiwalag. Either one go be an atheist, or one go on a spree with all the different kinds of belief systems, pick on the essentials, and tailor a belief system that is uniquely one's own.
Ganun na naman ang nangyayari sa panahon natin ngayon :)

Religion is pointless. Faith is what matters. Beli...

2011-12-06T18:31:25.302-08:00

Religion is pointless. Faith is what matters. Believe in God. Believe in Jesus, then everything will make sense. :)

Unitarian Universalist kid. I know someone who bel...

2011-12-06T13:05:04.512-08:00

Unitarian Universalist kid. I know someone who belongs to that assembly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism

Or if you believe in faith that stems from the heart, even if you stay a follower of Jesus, you would brush off the dogma and pick only the essentials. :)

good note. From the text I sense you're consc...

2011-12-06T09:36:38.454-08:00

good note.

From the text I sense you're conscious of the hypocrisy and irony on going in most of the world's religions and specifically the sect Roman Catholicism(as on some lines). Taking no jab at it but what people perceive as religion is completely inverted to what religion should be. People follow blindly the words of people who are fallible and they expect to get what they wanted. People put their gods in relics. People fear breaking out of the "religion" would equate them going to "hell" which is quite absurd IMO since GOD I believe, cannot be contained in a religion. I would just like to clear out though that it might seem that Roman Catholicism represents Christianity but on my further reading on its origins it roots far from Christianity and even contradict most of the things found in the Bible (surprising,right?).To add this, there was a century when Bibles were burned by the church itself! (http://paintingpictures.xanga.com/505737249/item/).Or that "Christmas" is really celebrating the birthday of the egyptian sun god, Horus. If you'd want to know more on this you can try browsing through these links:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/hail_mary_hail_satan.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/catholic_idols.htm

http://york412.blogspot.com/search/label/RCC

http://york412.blogspot.com/2011/10/life.html (some rambling of mine on these concepts)

..or you could just google things away.ha ha

pardon for subtly straying from my point.hehe.
it's just that i too have that angst against religions.:)

2011-12-06T08:58:55.851-08:00

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you are not looking for religion but an kind of in...

2011-12-06T08:55:47.549-08:00

you are not looking for religion but an kind of inner experience of the divine which is totally accessible to you at any time... it just requires you to genuinely break from the collective and entails real suffering...